He is 65. He is at an age when his peers have
started coming to terms with the onset of old age.
It is an age when his contemporaries have started
seeing their grand children, some luckier ones,
great grand children.
Paradoxically, it is an age Sat Guru Maharaj Ji, the
Ibadan, Oyo State-based self-acclaimed Living Perfect
Master, has come out to shock the world with an
unabashed antagonism to the sacred institution of
marriage.
In a recent encounter with the bearded one at his
hilltop commune on the outskirts of the Oyo State
capital, the reclusive spiritualist declared that, for
him, marriage is a taboo. It is a no-go area. He has
never given it a thought and never will do so because,
to him, marriage is an unnecessary distraction. “I
challenge anybody who says she is Maharaj Ji’s wife
to come out,” he declared matter-of-factly.
“I challenge anybody who says she has children for
Maharaj Ji to come out. I don’t have any biological
children. My children are my followers. I’m the father
of creation. … I don’t have any biological child, and
I’m not married to any woman. I don’t have a wife.
“I’ve never thought about marriage, and I will never
do so, because there is a war going on, and the war is
between light and darkness. Until the war is over,
anybody who gets involved with marriage will always
be in trouble. …
My advice to the young men of these days is that they
should not get married. This is not the time to go into
marriage because the situation is not conducive.” This
is not the only bombshell that the man in Ibadan
dropped during the interview. He also threw darts at
pastors, men of God, who he accused of using
diabolical means to hoodwink their teeming followers.
“Quote me,” he declared, his eyes like balls of fire, “all
of them use juju. How can a pastor touch somebody
and he falls down? That one is juju at work. Our
people are very foolish and ignorant. How can you
touch somebody and he falls down? There is
something behind this.” Well, what else can we say
other than to urge you to sit back and devour the full
interview? It is Sat Guru Maharaj Ji verbatim. Like you
have never read him before. Excerpts:
How do you feel hitting 65 in a country like
Nigeria where life expectancy is below 50?
To put it mildly, I feel fantastic in the sense that, for
the first time, several church leaders, political leaders
and other prominent members of the society not only
met each other but also interacted freely at the
ceremony (his birthday party). I’m happy that the
grace of Maharaj Ji has made us all to survive in the
last 38 years of this ministry. There was nothing some
people didn’t do to frustrate us, especially those
groups that have been tormenting the Black race for
centuries. They are not happy that Maharaj Ji has
espoused the true name of God. They were
wondering that how can I just come like that and all
of a sudden I put a stop to all what they had been
doing to dupe almost everybody. I felt so good for
being able to stand as the representative of God, our
Creator on this earth.
From what you have just said, you claimed some
pastors and top political leaders in the country were
here to celebrate with you…
(Cuts in…) Yes. Many of them were here. It was not a
secret. They came here to felicitate with me and also
to receive knowledge, which will help them in their
ministries. Some of them even expressed the wish to
see me in privacy and I obliged them.
Still talking about your 65 years on earth, what
was the turning point in your life? What was that
point in your life where you made a 360 degree-
turn and you experienced the transformation that
led you to where you are today?
That was in 1975. I was in Europe to attend a course
in marketing at the Institute of Marketing in London.
Two years later, I heard about Sat Guru Maharaj Ji of
the time saying that there was a power within us that
knows everything, and that until you experience this
power, you are not complete.
Unknown to me, he had already given a lecture in one
of the universities in America, University of
Pennsylvania, on July 15, 1976, telling the audience
that there is somebody coming from the most
populous nation in Black Africa who is going to take
over from him. I received knowledge from him on
January 1, 1980, and that was the beginning of this
journey, which has enabled human beings to know
that we can overcome our pains, and agonies when
we receive knowledge. When I received this
knowledge from my master, a baton of change took
place and I had to return to Nigeria to spread the
good news and begin my mission. I came back on July
15, 1980. On that eventful flight on the Nigeria
Airways plane that brought me home was the late
T.O.S. Benson. On arrival, I headed for Adegbola
Street, in Ikeja where some people were waiting for
me.
What happened thereafter?
I wrote to almost all our leaders drawing their
attention to the urgent need to allow me to start a
radio and television programme, to explain the
phenomenon called Maharaj Ji. Among those
prominent Nigerians that initially gave me audience
were the late Chief M.K.O. Abiola, and the late
governor of old Rivers State, Chief Melford Okilo, and
the Emir of Kano, Alhaji Ado Bayero. But when it
became obvious that the colonial forces were still
holding some of our leaders under the false belief
that Jesus is the way, that Mohammed is the way,
some of these eminent Nigerians later blocked me
from seeing them again. So, most of our leaders
didn’t really understand my mission. Due to this non-
challant attitude of our leaders, I then took up a job
with the defunct Nigeria Airways as private secretary
to the Marketing Director, Chief Okim. I worked there
for about a year, and I used the money that I saved to
hire an apartment at 33, Shittu Thompson Street in
Ikeja, which later became the universal headquarters
of my mission. Immediately I got the place, I resigned
from Nigeria Airways because God told me the time
has come for my mission to start.
In a mission like this, you can’t afford to wait because
there are instructions and directions being given
every minute. How I got the house where we started
was a miracle because the spiritual mandate was that
we had to start using a new house. I was
contemplating on how to get such a house, when one
Chief Onifade came to know more about Maharaj Ji. I
just asked him two questions. Number one, I asked
him: Are you a Yoruba man? He said ‘yes’. I then told
him that we are looking for a new house. He went
away, only to come back the second day and
informed me that he had got a place for us. He,
however, added that the landlord demanded for a
year rent. I told Baba that he should plead with them
that they should allow us to pay for six months. I
gave Baba N450, but Baba later added another N450
to make payment for a year rent. That was the
beginning of my mission.
I didn’t come to Ibadan immediately. When we
started in Lagos, something happened that forced us
to have an extension, and what happened? The
northern oligarchy, the feudalists, who didn’t come
out then as Boko Haram actually were finding a way
to stop my mission. To achieve their objective, they
used the former military governor of Lagos State,
Gen. Raji Rasaki to stop us from using Thompson
Street in Lagos as our headquarters.
But luckily for us, one Mama came one day from
Ibadan, and she told us about available large
expanse of land in Ibadan. I sent a delegation to
follow her to find out exactly the true position of
things. My position as a Perfect Living Master has
always been to find out things before I take position.
I then asked Mama about the original owner, and she
said it belonged to one Chief Ogundimu. I was later
taken to his place, and he agreed to sell the land to
me. We met a pastor who had a church around the
area and he vehemently opposed my members and
me. He said we won’t be allowed to stay there, but
Chief Ogundimu stood his ground and later insisted
that he would sell the land to us.
I was shocked by the pastor’s action. I couldn’t
understand why he opposed our coming to the place.
Perhaps he felt that customers coming into his
church might be diverted to our place. But the pastor
was ignorant. He didn’t know that the Perfect Living
Master had come to stay there. He should have
allowed his members to come to me for knowledge.
But like most of the pastors have been doing, he held
his church members hostage with juju.
Are you saying that pastors use juju?
Yes. Quote me: all of them use juju. How can a pastor
touch somebody and he falls down? That one is juju
at work. Our people are very foolish and ignorant.
How can you touch somebody and he falls down?
There is something behind this.
Today, we are in a world of falsehood. And if you look
at what is happening, you wouldn’t blame the
pastors, you would blame our law, which is lax. I said
this because if some of these pastors that have been
duping people had been brought to book, there
would have been sanity. These pastors that are
pushing people down, and are saying they are healing
them, they should tell us the source of their power. If,
as a pastor, you receive your power from Ifa, Ogun or
Orunmila, and you are giving credit to another
person, this means that you are a saboteur. You are
in actual fact a murderer because you are robbing
Peter to pay Paul.
Is it true, as some people have claimed, that some
religious leaders often come to your headquarters
here in Ibadan to consult you?
It is true. At times, they send their representatives.
But I clearly remember that the General Overseer of
Deeper Life Bible Church, Pastor William Kumuyi,
came to see me at our Lagos headquarters in Iju,
Lagos, sometime in 1987. It is a public place, he was
there, and people saw him. But he went back, never
to come back to fulfill his promise to come for
knowledge. And without knowledge, there is no way
anybody can make it.
When Pastor Kumuyi came that time, was it on a
courtesy visit?
You don’t go to a place where they acquire
knowledge on a courtesy visit. His visit was more than
a courtesy visit. But like I said, he never came back to
acquire knowledge. What many people don’t know is
that the Creator has come down. Somebody of his
calibre doesn’t come here on courtesy visit, it goes
beyond that. Kumuyi had come for salvation but he
didn’t exercise sufficient patience as he left without
acquiring knowledge. There are many others that
have come like that. My mission is to give light to the
world, to bring people out of darkness into light. I’m
the father of everybody, the entire human race.
You may then wonder, what about the White people?
Are you also their father? I will say ‘yes’. There was a
time they were not Whites. They were Blacks then.
But, suddenly, something happened many years ago,
that drove them under water. And they stayed there
for so long. And by the time they came out, their skin
had changed. This is why you now have dichotomy
between them and us. Due to the fact that they stayed
for so long under the water, by the time they came
out, their character had changed. This is why you see
most White people being rascals, impatient, restless
and erratic.
But Maharj Ji, being a loving father, made it possible
for the energy in Blacks to mix up with that of the
whites to give world peace. Before Maharaj Ji came,
the supremacy of the white man was unshakeable.
But when I came, everything changed. I’m the source
of life, everybody should come close to me, and know
Maharaj Ji as not only helping the Black man to
realize his potentialities, but also as the power that
has helped the white man. Otherwise, this world
would have disappeared.
And don’t mind the whites with their propaganda that
they have been using to brainwash the Blackman. For
example, for how long have they been telling us that
Jesus is coming? They have been saying so since I was
very young, and now I’m 65 years old, and yet He has
not come. But there is one thing that people should
realize about the coming of Jesus Christ, and that is,
instead of Jesus coming in a white body, it is
somebody in a black body who came to rescue the
world. And that is my humble self, Sat Guru Maharaj
Ji.
Is it also true, as some people claimed, that some
of our political leaders often come here?
Yes. Some of them come here. Even my position
demands that I should be with them everytime. They
have been coming here, and I have also been with
them since 1983, 1984 and 1985. Again, I used to write
letters to them, counseling them on how to move the
nation forward. But, unfortunately, some religious
leaders have held them hostage, deceiving them, and
shielding some of them from knowing the truth. Yet,
these pastors, who claim to have knowledge and
power, couldn’t see vision about all these plane
crashes all over the place.
Our leaders should remove this wool that has been
used to cover their faces by these religious leaders.
There is no way you claim to be a servant of the Most
High, and He will not reveal events that are to
happen to you. But do these religious leaders see
anything? Our leaders need life and they want to
enjoy it. There are so many things missing in the life
of somebody who doesn’t have knowledge from Guru
Maharaj Ji. How I wish that this interview will come
out raw and everything I said should be published,
and I dare anybody to challenge me.
A lot of things are going wrong in this country, and
those people you expect to speak out, especially
religious leaders, are keeping quiet. Church leaders
are not talking. We are in a state of confusion where
the rich are getting richer, and the poor getting
poorer. This is one of the reasons why I have come to
redeem mankind. If Maharaj Ji had not come on July
17, 1980, Nigeria would have been in a complete
mess. I had not even used half of the power I have.
Had I have done so, I would have dealt with many
people, especially those that have looted our
treasury. But I’m not Moses, an apostle of fire for
fire. I love everybody and I will like evil people to
retrace their steps, otherwise they will face
destruction.
So, who is Guru Maharaj Ji? Some people claim that
you are an Indian, others says you are a Hausa man
while others say you are a Camerounian. Who are
you?
Guru Maharaj Ji is an Ibadan man. But I was born on
December 20, 1947, on the day of the eclipse of the
sun in far away Ghana. I was carried in my mother’s
womb, spiritually, for nine years. I was born in the
gold-mining town of Obuasi in Ghana. My father’s
name is Alan Ibrahim and my mother’s name, Madam
Senatu Amope. They are both Nigerians. I was second
to the last in a family of 17 children. I was given the
name Mohammed Shuaibu Ayobami Ajirobatan.
Are you from a polygamous home?
No. All of us were born by my mother. However, my
mother was first married to a mining engineer, Pa
Ajala. It was after his death that our mother married
my father. For my primary school education, I
attended Methodist School, and from there, I
proceeded to Methodist Middle School also at
Obuasi. By 1960, I completed my middle school.
Thereafter, I was taken to my senior sister who
worked with Ghana Police in the Squadron Unit. While
there with her in Accra, I enlisted at Kwame Nkrumah
Pioneer Institute, located at Old Polo Ground in
Accra. On the completion of my studies there, I
moved down to Nigeria. From then on, things started
changing.
As a kid, one believed that whatever advice elders
give you, you must take it. So, when my mother
advised me to go and stay with my senior sister and
her husband who was a member of the then Western
Region’s House of Assembly, I agreed. The couple was
staying in Iseyin. There, I enrolled in a secretarial
school. I remember it was there I did my RSA and
Pitman professional examinations. Few years later, I
was taken to another senior sister who was married
to a cocoa merchant in Sekona, Osun State. I stayed
there for some time. While I was there, one of my
uncles, Professor Haruna Balogun, asked me to see
him. On getting to his house in Lagos, he enrolled me
in a commercial institute owned by one Papa
Afuwape. It was when I was there that I was informed
about a vacancy in a transport company. I was hired
as secretary to the Transport Manager. This was in
1969. I was later transferred to the General Manager’s
office. I later joined another establishment, YWC
under Lady Alakija. I stayed there for a year before I
joined another company owned by late Chief Lekan
Salami in Ibadan. It was while I was there that I
secured employment with a clearing and forwarding
company at Apapa in Lagos.
It was from this company that I travelled outside the
country in July 1975. But I remember that day of my
departure, there was a coup d’etat led by General
Murtala Muhammed who toppled the then Head of
State, General Yakubu Gowon. When I arrived London
for the first time in my life, I saw a mad white man. I
shouted, and my friends asked why. I told them that I
never knew that a white man could also run mad. I
encountered some problems over accommodation.
When I arrived London, I had to leave Chapters Street
where I first stayed because the landlord and I had a
mild disagreement while having discussion over
Nigeria.
In the second place where I stayed, I got the
accommodation through a woman I met by
providence. I told the woman that I had
accommodation problem and she assured me that
the problem would be solved. She later invited me to
her house where she stayed with her children.
As we entered the house, right in the foyer, there was
this photograph of the master before me; the one
that prophesied about me in 1976. I now asked this
woman: ‘who is this man?’ She said that is Sat Guru of
this age. The woman later told me that the man, that
is Sat Guru, would solve any problem I have. She said
Maharaj Ji would solve all my problems. She now
invited me to Maharaj Ji’s place of worship called Sat
Sang. For me to hear the man speaking, I was
overwhelmed with joy. That was it. I immediately felt
that this was where I belonged. This was how I
received knowledge, and became a child of light.
When you are in knowledge, materialism has no
meaning to you. You control and dominate your
environment.
There is this controversy about your marital status.
Some people claim that you are married with children
while others say you are a divorcee. Which is which?
There should be no controversy. Guru Maharaj Ji has
come to this planet to offer life and knowledge to
people. So, anybody that receives knowledge from me
is my child, a bona fide one. Those who receive
knowledge from me are my children. I don’t have any
biological child, and I’m not married to any woman. I
don’t have a wife.
Why? You are 65, and …
(Cuts in…) It’s like this. For any sincere and honest
somebody, you find out that even if you are blessed,
this is not the time for somebody to think about
marriage. For me, I’ve never thought about marriage,
and I will never do so, because there is a war going
on, and the war is between light and darkness. Until
the war is over, anybody who gets involved with
marriage will always be in trouble. For now, I’m not
thinking of marriage. The war against the forces of
darkness is on and that battle must be won. Marriage
can wait.
At 65, you say marriage can wait?
Yes. I have a mission. Marriage will be a distraction. I
must defeat forces of darkness. Marriage is not in my
agenda. This is not the time to go into marriage. I
challenge anybody who says she is Maharaj Ji’s wife
to come out. I challenge anybody who says she has
children for Maharaj Ji to come out. I don’t have any
biological children. My children are my followers. I’m
the father of creation. So, everybody, including
Christians and Muslims, I’m their father. Before I left
for Europe and till I came back, I was never married.
Even up till now, I’m not married to anybody. My
advice to the young men of these days is that they
should not get married. This is not the time to go into
marriage because the situation is not conducive.
However, for anybody that insists, I have no
opposition. After all, some of my members are
married.
Is it true, as some people claimed, that you once
said that you would never die?
When one is transformed into spirituality, you no
longer talk about death. Man is talking about
mortality and immortality because he accepted
teachings brought by the Europeans without finding
out how true these teachings are. When you talk
about death, it negates the principles of our
existence. They say God is light, and in Him there is
no darkness, and darkness can’t comprehend it. So,
why is death coming in?
The true name of our creator is Maharaj Ji, and with
my coming, light has come. Now, the light will be
guiding my followers wherever they are going, so that
with the knowledge they have acquired they will not
commit sin. As it was written in the Bible that the
wages of sin is death, but the moment you are lifted
above, you will live in the spirit, and when you live in
the spirit you will have knowledge.
Since I live in the spirit, and I’m the fountain of
knowledge, I’m immortal. I can’t die. Why should I
die physically? I can’t die physically. I will not die.
Even it is said in the Scripture that man is the perfect
image of God. Can God die? Since I’m a perfect image
of God, I can’t die. Is it a sin to live till eternity? I
have both the physical body and the spirit. If you look
at the Scriptures, where did you see or read about
people seeing dead bodies of previous masters like
Moses, Elijah and others. Death means nothing to me
– man is an image of the creator, so I don’t believe in
death.
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